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Hella Chisme Podcast
Birthday Bricks and Texan Tunes
Welcome back to the Hella Chisme podcast, As the episode unfolds, the infamous Scott Peterson case resurfaces, prompting a reflective exploration of how the public perception of this case has evolved from childhood to adulthood. We question Scott's behavior and demeanor during the investigation, considering how media portrayals and societal influences shaped public opinion. Join us as we navigate personal stories, lively discussions, and thought-provoking mysteries together.
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Speaker 2:they gotta say it like short. You know they can't play on my court, can't hang with the big dogs, stay on the porch, blow the whistle, blow the whistle, blow the whistle, blow the whistle. Ey, pero no hay boda Titi. Me pregunto si tengo muchas novias, muchas novias.
Speaker 2:Hoy tengo a una mañana a otra. Welcome back to another episode of the Hella Chisme podcast. As you can see, we are still in our fall era and we are getting warm next to the fire still, as it's starting to cool down here in San Diego. Not a lot, but some, you know, even some of us are feeling the little cold weather and getting a little stuffy-nosed. But yeah, welcome back. My name is Dana.
Speaker 2:And I'm Stephanie host Today, we do have our resident guest with us to come and chat with us. Do you want to introduce yourself?
Speaker 3:Yes, hi everyone, I'm Marty Marty Moore Martel.
Speaker 2:Marty B from the streets. Marty B from the streets. I'm trying to remember if I've said that one before.
Speaker 3:I feel like I add a new one every time.
Speaker 2:Yes, welcome, all welcome. So you know how we doing here. We just talk about what's going on through the week. You know this is we just check in. So how's everyone doing? What's going on's popping? What's today? Today is it was thursday, so it's the end of week for me. Um, so how was y'all week and weekends?
Speaker 1:let our guests go first yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:you know my week isn't over. Unfortunately, that's the life of retail. I have two more days to push through, but you know I'm just midlife pricing through my final steps of my 20s. Oh my gosh, that's right. That is what's happening in my life.
Speaker 1:Happy new season, happy early birthday. I don't know if this is going to air after your birthday, but oh yeah, actually.
Speaker 2:yes, it will air after his birthday.
Speaker 1:It should still be Libra season, though, oh yeah, absolutely yes.
Speaker 2:This is. It's so funny to think that you are stepping into your new era of life. It's something, it's definitely something, actually. So this will probably come out the day after your birthday.
Speaker 3:October 4th.
Speaker 2:October 4th, so happy birthday thank you, thank you so what are you going to do for your birthday? Any plans?
Speaker 3:I have to work and with my boss texting today I was like you're working on your birthday.
Speaker 4:I was like I know girl and she was like you don't want it off.
Speaker 3:I'm like no, I took off every other weekend in October, like it's fine. I'm like no, I took up every other weekend in october, like it's fine yeah, right like I can. So probably I'll go to work and then I think I'll just go buy myself a new lego set and come home and have some wine and do a new set and watch my shows. That's what I did last year. It was very peaceful I know that's right.
Speaker 2:I mean, wait, what did?
Speaker 3:didn't you just do a new lego, set um no, it's been a while I'm having withdrawals have you done the flowers, like the bouquets no, I have like a certain thing that I'm like following, and the flowers only fit the thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, it has to be an aesthetic got it.
Speaker 3:yeah, it's like a whole like thing like, but once I get all the pieces to the certain ones that I am doing, I think it will all come together. Right now it's a little spotty. There's certain collections finished there and then some of these collections are not finished. But I've definitely racked up a lot in this year because I started last year on my birthday with two and I think I'm at like 10 or so Really, you must have the patience for that and the eyes for detail.
Speaker 3:It's just like peaceful Open a box, get a glass of wine, get a good show going and I'll sit at that desk. I call it my old people light. You know, they got some extra lights on that shine real bright.
Speaker 1:Like the book lights Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Knitting and drinking wine.
Speaker 3:Basically, that's exactly what I mean. Knitting and drinking wine.
Speaker 1:The 30s won't be too much of a shock for you.
Speaker 3:No, not at all. I mean I feel like I've been dirty all my life down there girl, I mean we can bleep it out the bad words instead of bad words oh girl, it's fine, we say that shit all the time all the time.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say something I've been thinking about. Well, you know I've talked to you about I've been wanting to do them, but I wanted to do the super mario brother ones or batman ones, but they don't have a consistent ones of batman's but they have more consistent ones of the mario ones if you get the mario, you need to get like the uh, the one with the video game.
Speaker 3:That thing was so cool Like I. I'll see, I'll find it. I'll send you the link, but like it was really dope.
Speaker 2:Cause I do want to do one. I want one. I want to do some, I want to. I'm trying to decide how I what my theme of my office is going to be Like. Do I want to do Funko Pops or do I want to do like what's a Funko Pop? A Funko. A Funko Pop are the little like. They're like the little puppets and they're the pop heads.
Speaker 3:They body little and they have big.
Speaker 1:Yes, the figurines. Yeah, they're so cute.
Speaker 3:Got it cute got it, got it. Don't nobody ever open them, they just be having them stacked in the corners oh no, mine's gonna be opened.
Speaker 2:I'm not just buying them just to have them in boxes. They're gonna be open and I wanted to do like a display on my on, like a shelf.
Speaker 1:That's cute I saw that nightmare before christmas lego set and I was like, oh, I thought it's cute, I saw that. Nightmare Before Christmas Lego set and I was like, oh, that one's cute, I would do that, that one is really cute. That's what I think I'm going to dress up as this year with my kids is Junior wants to be Oogie Boogie and Amaya Sally, so I can be Jack and just do my makeup like that.
Speaker 3:Love it A little trick or treating in the costumes.
Speaker 2:I have no idea what I want to be for Halloween. I'm in charge of the Halloween celebration at work.
Speaker 1:Wait, I heard you're catching flights, though, for your birthday. Don't forget that.
Speaker 2:Who? Yes, you oh.
Speaker 1:We love a humble queen Right. There's no time to be humble when you hit 30.
Speaker 3:Yes, I will definitely be hopping on an airplane sailing off to the island to hopefully find me an islander. We love that.
Speaker 2:We're going to go get us a Hawaiian or.
Speaker 1:Samoan.
Speaker 2:Do they have Samoans in Hawaii? I'm pretty sure they do Samaya's not that far.
Speaker 3:I don't think. Right. Yeah, but it was a lot of people of Asian descent. Yes, I prefer to say that yeah, yes, it was very. The Asian culture I felt was very heavy out there as well.
Speaker 2:Love that. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I'm nervous about food, which I think I've expressed, but I think it'll be fine.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, we just need to be very vocal that this isn't a preference, it's a matter of life and death and making sure that there are no nuts.
Speaker 2:Got it. Yeah, good to know.
Speaker 1:Good to know you guys will be good. There's a lot of rice, shrimp, fish, stuff like that. You'll be good.
Speaker 3:There's definitely a lot of seafood options. I think he's just worried because a lot of people use or at least he thinks people use peanut oil.
Speaker 1:The only thing I'll ask is if one of you can bring me chocolate-covered macadamia nuts. Oh, they're so good over there.
Speaker 3:I can get you boxes right at the what's their store. They don't have 7-Eleven. They have. Abc stores, abc, yeah, they are everywhere Like I counted when I was there at the hotel.
Speaker 1:We're sending Starbucks here. Huh, Basically I found it when I was there at the hotel we're sending Starbucks here, huh.
Speaker 2:Basically, I thought they do have a 7-Eleven. We were just looking something up that said the 7-Eleven breakfast is apparently like so good.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think they might have maybe one, because I actually did hear about 7-Eleven breakfast, but the ABC stores are literally like every other door.
Speaker 2:Every other door. No, I'm not worried about peanut oil per se. Really, I'm not really worried about the nuts. I'm more so worried about the crazy amount of meat that they eat up there. And me not really having any fish options.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, no, no, there's shrimp on every menu. Yeah, I thought you were worried about like something peanutty or something yes and no, but I mean that'll be fine.
Speaker 2:You know, because here's the thing I, if anything happens, I will, we'll have to figure it out, it'll be fine. I'm not, that's not really. I'm more so like the amount of meat, like pork and you know you'll be fine.
Speaker 1:That's just at the luau, I think. Well, because I mean essentially it's a, it's a an island and there's a lot of fishing and stuff.
Speaker 3:So yeah, they usually have a lot of shrimp options and even at the luau, like I think we had, there was pork like they freshly, like that was part of their thing, was like bringing the pig out of the ground and everything. That's so good. It was so good, but I feel like there was some other options too.
Speaker 1:And there's so many vegetarians nowadays and stuff that I'm pretty sure they have to have like five options. You can have a salad friend, I was going to say something else. You can have a salad at the lua or udon um stephanie.
Speaker 2:How's your week been? What's been going on with you, friend?
Speaker 1:uh, my week's been pretty good. I feel like I'm either catching a cold or my allergies are just like super bad. Um, my son was sick earlier this week too. Um, so I think it's just like the change of weather and then just constantly being on the go and my body like just needing rest maybe. Um, but it's been good. I do like that. It's been freshening up and not as hot. I do want you know sweater weather. And I'm excited because I'm going to a concert on Saturday for.
Speaker 1:Grupo Firme, which is like banda. I'm going with two of my girlfriends. That sounds fun. Yeah, everyone, everyone's gonna be in their cowboy hats and their boots and I'll try to try to get you a prospect.
Speaker 3:Uh, martel, smiling over there in the corner, just be like this is my friend. Look at this baddie is not engaged and he has been looking for a man for 10 years yeah, so it should be fun where's the concert at?
Speaker 1:enchiladista. I don't know what the amphitheater is called now, but I know it as Coors Amphitheater. They've changed the name so many times, I don't know.
Speaker 2:The VA House one, I'm sorry, sure.
Speaker 1:If you're a San Diego native or local then you know Coors Amphitheater. It's by the water park in Chula Vista. I'm sure you've been there. It's the big one with the grass area. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I hate, when you try and click on something, they always have advertisements pop up it's so annoying.
Speaker 3:I can't even scroll through like anything without seeing an ad. You can't even scroll through anything without seeing an ad.
Speaker 1:You can't even watch Disney Plus without an ad.
Speaker 3:You just gotta get the other one.
Speaker 1:They have a premium.
Speaker 3:This Lego set is $300. They have a premium where you can combine Disney Plus, Hulu, ESP and some of it. If you do it through disney plus, you can get all three is premium and no commercials. I hate commercials.
Speaker 1:My broke ass will pay for the most expensive subscription I can find to for a piece of money oh, maybe I will do that then, because I don't like I don't watch cable or any of that Me neither. But my subscriptions. I do make sure I try to have the good ones.
Speaker 3:Yes, girl, just get the highest one. I don't even know what it includes. I'm going to have to go to my account.
Speaker 1:Good thing you're telling me that.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you I hate a commercial. Don't interrupt my show. It might do a little black screen, but you know, ain't no real commercial coming at all they have a pac-man one yes, I was gonna say the pac-man one is really cool too, and I've seen that one in person and it's pretty big I know that's what I'm like.
Speaker 2:This thing is huge. Can you actually play the pac-man game or is it just a display?
Speaker 3:um, I'm sure it has some uh active features, because even the mario one that I think you guys have an active feature, like there's a thing on the side where you can turn the tv and he runs across the screen oh, oh my god, I'm about to buy this also, I just wanted to give a shout out to the Padres, because we made it to the playoffs and we're also, um, you know, beating, and it was against the Dodgers, so you know that's baseball
Speaker 2:right, yes, okay, if you know you know um, so you're going to a concert this weekend. How was the wedding that you went to?
Speaker 1:oh, it was so nice. Um, I had such an amazing time, like, even though I was um sober, like I danced the whole night almost, and um, I didn't feel like you know, like some type of way or like bored or anything like that. It had a really good music. Um, the food was good.
Speaker 1:It was like a chipotle chicken nice and then, um, everything looks so beautifully decorated and then it was nice because everyone wore black and the bride was the only one in white, so she really stood out and, yeah, it was just. It was really nice. They're like such a cute couple so you could feel like the love in the reception and everything, so it was really nice. Yeah, my brother took advantage of the open bar, which was cool.
Speaker 2:You want to know what's funny I love that for him I know right, never turned out an open bar never, especially not at a wedding, like don't invite me if you don't have open bar don't, don't invite me to your wedding.
Speaker 3:Don't invite me to your kid's birthday with no liquor.
Speaker 1:And you know, like the classic Mexican music at the weddings and quinceañeras, like plus your shots of tequila. Oh, top tier.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a night. A time that's ready to be had.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's hilarious, it was cute.
Speaker 2:Well, how's your week? It was good. I mean, it's been, it's been good. I'm glad that it's over. Um, last week was, last weekend was a short weekend. This weekend is my long weekend, so I'm looking forward to that um. But it's just, you know, busy um with school and uh, work and I'm you know. But the school semesters have been flying. I'm already in week six which is crazy.
Speaker 2:Um, and each class has been doing their shit differently, and one of the classes that I started I'm in my humanities class and they started, like I want to say classes started back on August 19th. They started like a month later for classes, so even they're doing their classes differently, so it's a little weird.
Speaker 2:So, it's a little weird and you know everybody's, all these classes are so tripped up on AI because students use it a lot to cheat. But here's the thing you know, like, let these kids use it, but as long as they are, you know, creating their work and they're not like just copying and pasting it and at least using it for reference, making sure you know they're fact checking their shit and creating and actually doing the homework. Then you know, I don't feel like it should be that much stipulation around it. Also, I learned that I guess they've been having bots that have been registering for classes, for these classes out of nowhere. I don't know how the fuck that happens, but, like my first, I want to say the first couple of days they give you like an assignment that you have to complete in order to secure your spot in the class or else they'll drop you because the bots have been, um, I guess, applying or getting into these classes, which I'm like. How is that happening?
Speaker 1:that's wild that is wild do the bots like go in and apply for the classes or like maybe reserve them for people, like maybe I can get like a program, like a bot program, and they can like do this for me or no?
Speaker 2:I have no idea. The only way I can see that being a thing is if they've been hacked before, and which can be a possibility, because students be trying to hack and you know, get their great, change their grades and shit, but you never fucking know. Um, yeah, it's, this is definitely.
Speaker 1:It's been something new that's good I've been learning we'll have to look into that. I'm curious, sister, how the like what?
Speaker 2:yeah, um shout out to your husband's birthday too oh yeah, the other libra that I'm married to the september libra the september libra. Shout out to him, there's a lot of libras out there there is.
Speaker 3:It's just been popping up. I feel like my phone knows when it's libra season, because I just start seeing all these memes about libra. Oh my gosh, only she was just popping up in all Libras and it's like, wow, it's her time.
Speaker 2:Paris has been sending me the TikTok videos of all the Libras stuff that's on TikTok.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like running rampant right now.
Speaker 1:It's like running rampant right now, mmhmm speaking of Libras, have you guys been seeing Cardi B wilding out on social media?
Speaker 2:does she have her baby already?
Speaker 1:yeah, but have you seen her take off going? I mean her going at it on social media? Well, apparently he's like you cheated on me while you were pregnant, and she's like you cheated on me while you were pregnant and she's like I did. Is that why?
Speaker 2:she was live.
Speaker 1:She said I did. She said after you cheated on me 5 million times, I went and cheated on you while I was pregnant.
Speaker 3:And now your baby got dimples.
Speaker 1:Not every time he sees that baby lord, have mercy. That is so charmed they've been going at it with each other on twitter and just saying all kinds of shit that is wild.
Speaker 1:Not while you're pregnant, though, right yeah like could you wait until after yeah, she also said that she hooked up with takeoff while he was still alive no, she didn't she said yeah, I mean, all this is a legend, right, but she went on live and said it that she hooked up with his brother she's like that he's. She's like uh, rest in peace. He was the real man. I miss those nights, or something like that. They're on there crashing out on twitter. I mean, but that's trifling she said go low, I'll go lower exactly you say you want to play.
Speaker 3:She said go low, I'll go lower. Exactly you say you want to play.
Speaker 2:Well, today we are going to be getting into a conversation. I would say that we are now moving into our spooky season, even though our background will probably change again for official spooky season, but we are moving into that direction with today's conversation. As you listen to the episode, remember that you can join the conversation with the link in the underneath that says join the conversation, where you can send you can text us and send little letters via text from your phone or whatever you're using to listen to this. You can also join the Patreon channel, which is also another link in the underneath, um, where you can join our patreon and you can watch our episodes. Um, and then so also we did have a bonus episode that came out, so make sure you go and watch that, because we lost the audio to the previous episode wait what girl.
Speaker 2:I was up here trying to edit our content and realized that our audio did not save for the episode that we recorded in person, so now we have to put it out as a bonus episode, which is fine. We love that for y'all. We love that y'all get extra content. But, yeah, so make sure you subscribe to our Patreon and our YouTube, because you, this time, get it for free yes, also, I didn't get the tie-dye memo.
Speaker 4:I know, I was just looking at that. I was, it was funny because and I was just like I was it was funny, because when I first got on.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, I should go change my shirt because it's kind of clashing with the background, and Dana turned on his camera and I was like, oh, it works. I was going to go put on a black shirt oh, awkward, sorry I wear this to.
Speaker 1:This is my shirt I wore to work earlier you guys are just on the same wavelength without even knowing.
Speaker 3:I guess, because I just threw this on to go run my errands. And here we go. Got it.
Speaker 2:Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll be right back. Bye, and we're back, all right. So I'm very excited to talk about this because I, you know, remember a little bit of when all of this was going on. So, if so, this happened in 2020, 2002. So I was 12 years old at that time. You're great at math.
Speaker 3:How old was I? You were 12. I was what? Eight. It's four years, four or five years, yeah're great at math. How old was I? You were 12? I was what? 8? It was 4 years when I was 12.
Speaker 2:4 or 5 years. Yeah, 7 or 8.
Speaker 1:How old are you?
Speaker 2:Stephanie 11. Oh yeah, because she's a year younger than me 91.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah. So yes, we are going to get into the Lacey and Scott Peterson story and just how all of that happened and came about. If anybody's triggered by stories about murder or alleged murder and or things like that, then you probably should pause here or stop listening. Also, any opinions that we have are our own opinions and not anything that it's like an asshole. Everybody has one. So, um, yes, but I would love to just start the conversation with you. Know, what do y'all know about the story? Like, and what, what would you say, were things that stuck out to you when, um, learning more, I guess now as an adult you when um learning more, I guess now as an adult, like this time around or when it initially happened.
Speaker 1:I would say, this time around like what stuck out right away um, I would say, his demeanor. Like when he was being questioned Just during the whole thing. The way he carried himself and his demeanor and everything and his family irritated me his family, like his sister.
Speaker 3:Right, it was his sister one of them was like the sister-in-law yeah, okay, okay, why so?
Speaker 1:it just gave Karen white privilege. It just gave Karen white privilege vibes, entitled vibes okay.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I'll go in more into detail, like at the end, but or like while we're talking about it, but that's like what initially stood out yeah, what about you, martel? Um.
Speaker 3:I mean I've, it's like what initially stood out. Yeah, what about you, martel? Oh, I mean I've, I think it's just the so like this might be diving taking too, going too far forward. But basically, like you know, we looked at three different sources for as preparation for this.
Speaker 3:Each source perceived this same thing, that was like the biggest stick out to me because, like I had listened to the podcast one years ago and that had already kind of changed my perception of the whole case and even I think it's just funny, like as an adult listening to it and having a perception, versus being a child when it was happening and you know, like hearing the adults talk about it around you and like I'm sure my followers probably like that motherfucker did, and you know it's just like, that's just and you're just like oh okay, he did it that happened.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go ahead and color now, um, but like you know, just so, I think just the perception that you get like hearing the story as a child versus hearing that as adult, and then listening to like these three different sources that we use to listen to this story, was just interesting yeah, I agree, I agree with both.
Speaker 2:Actually, um, I. So my thought is, first and foremost, what I realized was this happened a year after 9-11 happened. So my immediate thought is, I think about the pandemic and how, a year after the pandemic had started and was happening, we had the whole George Floyd thing and you know, everybody being at home and everything like that. So whereas at that time people were it was like less and less traveling that people were doing because they were scared after 9-11, and it was during the holidays, so it was like one of the biggest things that had happened since 9-11 and it was happening during Christmas, when most people are at home during the holidays. So that was one thing that I noticed and realized.
Speaker 2:And again, this is just my opinion and me thinking, and I could be thinking too far into it, but I definitely feel like it got a lot more publicity for the reason that people were trying to look for a distraction after 9-11 because, honestly, as far as I feel, what I remember, they talked about 9-11 even after it happened and for a long time after it happened. Um, so I was thinking about that, but I do agree that, um, I don't know I his demeanor to me, like when things, when crisis happen or big things happen, I do sometimes, um, I do sometimes have a chill demeanor, but I don't know if I would be so chill if my husband was missing and could potentially be murdered or dead.
Speaker 1:I was pregnant with your baby.
Speaker 2:With my baby Right, or you know. So it was very, it was very, very interesting to learn, just to get deeper, deeper into it. So for, if you've been living under a rock, um, the story goes as follows so 20 years ago, uh, scott peterson had allegedly left to go fishing. Uh, he went fishing on christmas eve. Uh, and his wife, lacy, had went to go walk their dog in the park that was nearby their home in Modesto, I don't, they didn't say a specific time, however, but like mid-evening, mid-afternoon, scott got back home, lacey was nowhere to be found, and then the dog had came home just on the leash and had found its way back to the house. Shortly thereafter this had, scott had had some pizza and some milk, which is a hell of a combination.
Speaker 1:Which is a hell of a combination, a psychopath combination.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like that took me right back to like which are red vines and milk and whipped cream no, that's fine, like that's a dessert, but like pizza and milk. Like in school, all they gave you the drink time so that it was some milk, and then they'll be serving your ass with slices of pizza like I mean which we'll get there, because I actually haven't.
Speaker 2:There's another part to that that I'm thinking about too, that I you just triggered a thought. Um, so he had pizza and milk and then he called her dad, who then started to call the pizza and milk the. They were young, like lacy was 25. Um, as far as I don't remember what age they said he was, which I don't think they've been specific about how old he was at the time, but as far as I'm concerned, they both were in their early 20s yeah, they were pretty young because Scott still looks pretty young right now, today.
Speaker 2:So, and he's been in jail for 20 years.
Speaker 3:So I mean definitely only in his 40s, for sure for exactly so her date of birth was 1975, and it happened in 2002. She was like 26, 27.
Speaker 2:And what was his date of birth?
Speaker 1:I don't know. So 2002, minus.
Speaker 2:So she was 27 at the time, but she was 20.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's 51, so I mean again, but they still were young yeah you know, like when we think about, like when I think about me, when I was 25 and 27, I mean, although although I was, you know, trying to be a little bit more of a doula, I was still not an adult. And the reason why I equate that to the pizza and milk is because when you think about high school, you know like how many, how many things do we still at 20, was we still doing that we did from high school, although we weren't eating those empanada, taco things because them things used to. Do you remember those things? They come in that little plastic and they warm them up in that little bakery.
Speaker 3:That's the clear of those. Every school I went to I had a set menu Once I found what it was I was like and I did not deviate.
Speaker 2:What was it? The chicken sandwiches.
Speaker 3:The mountains, yeah, the mountains, with those spicy chicken sandwiches, like those things. I was thinking about them still to this day, like ketchup, uh-huh, that's all you needed was some ketchup and that spicy chicken salad and that. Oh, just talking about those with my friend this past weekend last, I think it was like last year on this time too, we were talking about them and we drove around store to store until we found something that was like close and we went home and made them. I'm sure you, you probably know what I'm talking about, but like, yeah, we told them chicken salads, it's a I.
Speaker 2:I mean, you can't even find those patties anymore like that we have found one.
Speaker 3:It wasn't even like real meat, because at that point she wasn't eating meat, so we were she had been eating chicken nuggets and so we was tearing the chicken nuggets up and then we were like, ooh, spicy chicken sandwiches. And then we went on a tour every store in back of the aisle to find the goddamn spicy chicken sandwich Gosh.
Speaker 2:I remember those. Those things were definitely delicious.
Speaker 1:And we wonder why we have stomach problems now.
Speaker 3:I mean because stomach is throwing gang signs.
Speaker 2:So, he got home, he had his his pizza and milk and then decided to call around looking for his wife so immediately. What was like when you saw that? What was y'all's thoughts about how long it took between the time that he got noticed she was gone and ate food and then called?
Speaker 1:Because he also did a load of laundry right. He did a load of laundry of his own clothes only.
Speaker 2:And he also clearly had noticed she had left her purse there, because remember that was another part of once the police and his parents, her parents got there that he said she left her purse here. You know this is here, that is here her car. You know, all of that was there. So what was y'all's immediate thoughts?
Speaker 3:uh, knowing that information I mean, I think it's clear he wasn't worried very well said, martel.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly like. And they you know like obviously she didn't go with her mom or something like she had, her car was there right. I mean so I'd be calling. If it was my partner, I'd be like where you at?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I might be like oh, thank god he gone that's what.
Speaker 2:Martel says but, I don't know it. It would depend, right Like so, if I had came home and they obviously had talked, because I remember him leaving a voicemail. He had left a voicemail on her phone. He said I'm coming back from such and such space. I'll be home shortly. Yada, yada, yada.
Speaker 1:But they didn't talk. He just left the voicemail. They did not talk.
Speaker 2:Exactly, she did not answer. He had left her voicemail. So if I called Paris, I'm on my way home, I'll be home X amount of time. Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, I get here, all his shit here, and he's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 2:And get here all his shit here and he's nowhere to be found and his car is there and his car is here. I'm gonna check the house, so you know, gonna look around, and I mean I'm thinking about it. I'm like I probably would start to get a little worried. I probably go look at the bottom of the pool, make make sure he's. You'd probably call him, I would probably call him, and then I would also check for the dogs, because you know the dogs are another telltale and they had a dog.
Speaker 1:They did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was what she was doing.
Speaker 4:She was walking a dog, so I, they did. Yeah, that was what she was doing.
Speaker 2:She was walking the dog, I think. For me, what I'm getting at is I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and understand. You know at what point. If you're not worried immediately after getting home, when do you start to get worried? Worried immediately after getting home. When do you start to get worried? When do you start to ask yourself well, if 2 plus 2 is 4, then what the fuck is this like? Where is she at?
Speaker 1:it's also Christmas Eve and it's Christmas Eve, so where the fuck are you?
Speaker 3:he started to get worried after he had a full belly and a nice clean load of laundry you see, and and it's funny because it wasn't he a Libra too don't try to do that she, she's a Torah I don't know what he was.
Speaker 1:I'm like no wonder she lit up a room and they would, I mean everybody.
Speaker 2:And guess what? He is a libra sagittarius um. His birthday is october 24th.
Speaker 1:No, he's a scorpio, I'm sorry he's right on the cusp of scorpio and a toy scorpio relationship, that's we're opposite signs.
Speaker 2:That's interesting that is interesting. So then from there, so now, at this point, we have dad knows and he's calling 911. So he is at this point, dad is slipping out and he's like we need to find my daughter and it triggers a search for lacy, um, and so it's also, you know, spreading across um, spreading across the news at this point, um, and as well as I I don't remember remember, cause I remember somebody saying yes, brother, I'm going to come help you, but, and I think it was the family in San Diego, so I think that was Scott Peterson's family. So I think Scott called his brother-in-law and then said Lacey's missing, we need help looking for her.
Speaker 1:Um, so then he called the mom first too, I think.
Speaker 2:The mom, and then Is that what happened?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he called the mom and then she's like, well, call her friends, da, da, da, like I'm coming over because she lived in Modesto and then. And then he called the friends and then called her back and was like there's no sign.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then that ensued the rest of the search, with the family and the friends and, obviously, the police, which then leads to the police officers one of the main detectives questioning Scott, the police officers that one of the main detectives questioning Scott. Um so, and listening to the detective he talks about how, uh, how you know, just lay back, he was in hands and pockets, had a very, uh, essentially very cutesy, uh, very, very cutesy, very demure. Um, I hate that. I hate that Demeanor.
Speaker 2:I mean, but in the videos that's what it seemed like he was like very chill, very laid back and very responsive. And so I think the first question that comes to mind is in that situation and I think we've talked about stuff like this before where we know the police is looking to try and get responses and answers out of you that's their job and they will manipulate and do whatever they need to do to get what they need. Do you feel like the start of the questioning was them trying to set him up to be the main victim for this Not me, sorry the main suspect for this case. Thinking about the questioning, thinking, questioning, thinking about you know just how it was all started. Do you feel like they already were trying to set him up as the main suspect?
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't think it was set up as the main suspect'm like, as someone who listens to and watches a lot of like documentaries about like crimes, murders, missing people, et cetera, et cetera, like it's always the spouse, and except for that little 20%, that's probably not the spouse, and except for that little 20%, that's probably not the spouse.
Speaker 3:So I think, initially, like they went in and they're like, okay, what's going on. But then you know, they go, they look at the house, they look around and now, in conjunction with his demeanor, and now they're starting to ask questions. I think, you know, he didn't really help himself at all with anything that was going on, so I don't think they set him up to be the prime suspect. But where I do think they went left is that they just stayed on that road. They didn't deviate from the road as him being the prime suspect. So I think in the I mean, obviously that's the big question right, did he do it? Did he not do it it? So in the case if he didn't do it, there was every barely any exploration into that because they were so keen on nailing him as the main suspect.
Speaker 1:main suspect yeah um, I don't think that they set anything like up. I actually feel like in the clips of um the questioning with him, like they actually weren't as intense as like I've seen that they are a lot of times I feel like they were pretty like chill about it because they thought maybe she was still like alive and stuff. So, um, they try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel like Modesto is like a smaller town, right.
Speaker 1:Like it's not a huge city. So that, and then another thing was, you know, keeping in mind that they said that it is the number one cause of death for pregnant women. That's what they said. They said that it is the number one cause of death for pregnant women, that's what they said. And then, like you know, martel said, a very big majority of the time, like it is the spouse. So I feel like all those factors like I don't feel like they were very hard on him in the beginning, I feel like they were like trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would agree to that. I I do think that in the beginning they were going really easy on him and I will 100% agree that they definitely did not go hard like they usually would on anybody else. Because I mean, we I don't remember what true crime story we talked about where we we've seen where the person like like nailed, drilled in on this person to try and get them to confess and they're like, oh, that's when we were talking about, uh, that one, the kidnapping one in vallejo, where the uh the person gave them NyQuil to knock them out and stuff and they were for sure trying to nail it onto the boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Right, and if you watch like 48 hours or any like sort of true crime theme, a lot of the time they are super like intense and manipulative and stuff.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely so. So at this point, so we've, so we've questioned Scott once, right? So at this point the police are. They question him, then they get him to do, they ask him if he'll do a lie detector test, and he accepts, and he accepts. And then and they wanted him to do it on Christmas day he accepts, and then at this point he it seems like he's starting to get a little smarter, because he's not he accepts, and then he decides that he's not doing it because his dad told him not to, because his dad told him not to do it which I have to
Speaker 3:say yes yes, guilty or not guilty, for me, I would never do a lie detector test.
Speaker 2:First of all, we're not talking if no lawyer is here.
Speaker 3:Well, that too, but like lie detector, tests are not even admissible in court. They're solely off of like your.
Speaker 1:I don't know like the technical terms, but it's just how fast your heart races, like if it goes up and down. I'm like, I'm a nervous wreck 24 times a day you know the little anxiety, emotion, that's yeah.
Speaker 3:I can look at somebody and I'm like, oh god, I can knock my head off my surface. I'm gonna be stressed out for the next six hours.
Speaker 2:I mean, and not only that, it's just like again I feel like this goes into kind of what you're saying, martel, of they were on a road and they were trying to stay on the one road which you know, they they thought that if he's so cooperative, then for sure we can get him to take a lie detector test and then we can go ahead and rule him out, in which they used that term a lot. We just are trying to rule you out as the suspect and we want to. We just need you to continue to cooperate with us, right? So, so he didn't do the lie detector test because his dad told him not to he then at this point, they are now seeking to do their first search. So in the first search we find out well, not even in the first search, like with even in the story we find out that Scott purchases a fishing license on. It was the December 9th.
Speaker 1:The 20th.
Speaker 2:Was it the 9th or the 20th?
Speaker 1:He bought the boat on the 9th and then, the license on the 20th.
Speaker 2:On the 20th, and then the license on the 20th. On the 20th, and then the day that all of this was happening, decided, instead of going golfing, we were going to go fishing, because it was cold.
Speaker 1:When did I be colder?
Speaker 2:fishing In the water. That was my immediate first thought, because I'm like, if you're in modesto and it's cold, I know it's freezing, especially on the water, and he was going down to berkeley marina it's cold as fuck like what are you talking?
Speaker 1:about least golfing. You're like in a sweater moving your body, walking.
Speaker 2:It's cold as fuck and I know it's raining. So I'm like, I'm like there's no way you were going. You decided to go to the Berkeley Marina instead of going golfing and I, in what I know is 60 degree or 50 degree weather in the Bay, Like come on now, Like no.
Speaker 1:Modesto's in the Bay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, technically it's like two or three hours from the.
Speaker 3:Bay area. Two hours, two hours drive for him to get from Modesto to.
Speaker 1:East or west?
Speaker 3:Oh, I never used to argue off of his girl. I don't know that part. Hang on just one. Let me put up a map.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would just guess, like two hours up or to the right, I think it's like almost like going to like SAC, but then you turn off at some point and hold
Speaker 2:please. It's in the middle of nowhere, it is, it's cold, it's in the middle of nowhere it is, it's cold, it's northern california well, he was driving up to berkeley and I know berkeley was cold, especially in that exact year. I remember that okay?
Speaker 3:no, I had it wrong, it's always cold during the winter it's like Paz Mantica area.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, See, so that's north.
Speaker 1:It's like Northern Cali.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's all up there, but anyway, yeah, so the decision to go fishing besides golfing was stupid. That just took me out. I was like, first of all, all let's not say that anymore, don't tell anybody else that, because automatically you sound like a liar. Um, the other part that tricked me, that got my uh, my gushy berries going, was the fact that nobody knew that this man ever owned a boat and like he just bought it out of nowhere and then told them that he bought it to surprise, I believe, his father-in-law.
Speaker 3:Yeah because he wanted it to be an activity for him to do with their, with connor what stood out to me is that he owned a fertilizer shop.
Speaker 1:That's like, that's weird. You know. What I was thinking at first is like, I like, I wonder if he had one of those chippers, like those wood chippers.
Speaker 2:Oh, like the wood chippers, like the breakdown wood.
Speaker 1:That's at first what went through my brain.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a part. The boat wasn't that big.
Speaker 3:I mean, all you need is a little boat, you know, going on the water. It's a one-man boat, you know, and maybe allegedly one person in a body bag, and you're just tipping them over.
Speaker 2:You don't need a big boat to do all that I mean obviously if that's what had happened so, so at this point, do you want me? That's what I think about, because I feel like they can dip it into the water when they do their dance. Have you ever seen that tiktok?
Speaker 1:you know, what also stood out to me was like it's crazy to me how like um, there was no like domestic violence or any like like violence like that, you know. So I'm like damn, like I mean he's guilt, he's proven guilty, right, but I mean, if he did do it, like that's just like cold and calculated, like you know what I mean like it wasn't like an intense like heat of the moment, like fighting, you're just like, oh shit, like I went too far. It was like you like I don't know it's just the most craziest one older.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it seems so much colder that way like you, just was like oh you were like no, he was like a year before. Like I'm like get this bitch.
Speaker 3:Like I'm like well, I don't think it was a year, because to me, honestly, if he did do it, I think the problem was the baby. He didn't want kids.
Speaker 1:He didn't want, yeah, he didn't want kids but that's what I'm saying she was already eight months pregnant, so probably you know. And then she had asked him like, oh, I want to have a kid.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, like he was hurt, I don't know but I mean, do we, do we go that far if we don't want kids? Is it really that like? Why? Why, if you? So first of all, I think, if, if you didn't want no motherfucking kids, there should have been some birth control or condoms being used around this bitch well, I mean, she wanted kids.
Speaker 3:If I want kids, you might you. Either you either going in there raw dog or you ain't getting none, or pull and pray like everybody else be doing huh, pull and pray, like everybody else be doing exactly I'm gonna hop on it while you're asleep.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like you know this is how this is going down. I mean, I just it's fine not to want kids, but is it that serious? To where we're, we would murder the spouse.
Speaker 3:Well, and I also wonder, like, what was the discussion Like before you guys got married, right, right, like I feel like that is like a standard conversations that couples have, like you know, if they see themselves progressing and growing old together, whether they get married or not.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like a conversation about chosen always comes up, and so it's just like if he said no back then and she was just like okay, I'm gonna change his mind, I was about to say that women think that, yeah, a lot of, or men too, you know like men think also sometimes like if women don't want kids like that, they can change their mind, she'll change their mind, it's just like.
Speaker 3:No, it don't work that way. I'm like people show you who they are immediately and it's just like you better believe it.
Speaker 2:That's right. As soon as y'all move in together, they're gonna start dropping their drawers in the wrong spot, and you know, you already know.
Speaker 3:Then, Leaving toothpaste in the sink.
Speaker 2:They got ski skirts in their drawers and now they ski skirt guy.
Speaker 3:What is that? Wait? What does that mean when they, like they don't, wipe it behind good?
Speaker 1:They got dookie sandals Skid marks. Yeah, what does that mean? Like if they do that? I've never encountered that.
Speaker 3:Unsanitary.
Speaker 1:Oh well, I mean obviously, but like I don't know if that had some correlation with like mean obviously, but like I didn't know if that had some correlation with like. Oh no, we first move in with somebody that's how you start to get to know the real you the real them.
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Speaker 2:So, okay, we left off and we were talking about the boat, the mysterious boat that popped up and that Mr Scott bought, right, I think.
Speaker 2:Also, we also touched on the fact that Lacey Peterson was pregnant and that she did not want kids I mean, scott didn't want kids, which was something that we believe that came up as a possibility for her being missing and or murdered at this point, because I think at this point, because we I think at this point, no one's like secure the fact that she is murdered, um, we have not touched on, though, is that that same night or day that, uh, she went missing, there was a burglary, so a family was burglarized next door at a home across the street, and you know. And so there was. So that happened. The family that was supposed to be there was actually away on a trip for Christmas, and so they weren't home, and so later on in the story it becomes that, you know, they suspect that at some point maybe she encountered these people who burgled the home across the street, and you know there's pieces to that that we'll get into later that face, was it the man?
Speaker 3:what? Why'd you make that face? Was it the oh?
Speaker 2:the hamburger, the burger.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. No. I was just trying to realize that you made that face. I was wondering if you could see me tomorrow laughing about the burgle oh my god girl what they? Just be saying shit sometimes they do and just be saying shit sometimes.
Speaker 1:They do and just be going on. He's like it sounded.
Speaker 2:good it sounds okay, let's keep going. But the house did get burglarized. It got burgled, it got robbed. Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3:It got robbed. That's a good one. It's something that's uncommon.
Speaker 2:I mean people be saying burgled? No, they don't.
Speaker 3:I've never heard burgled until tonight.
Speaker 2:Burglarized. So, yes.
Speaker 2:It's getting burgled honey. Um, so, yes, that happened now again. So let's, the touch point is that, um, so that happened. They're trying to still figure out and rule out Scott as a suspect. At this point they had already done the. I believe they had already did the search warrant for the house, then they had did the search warrant for his shop for fertilizer. That's when they started to suspect the boat. They saw the boat. They have found the weights, the anchors for that he had made five anchors for the boat for when he would be out on water. And then they also have found pliers with her hair wrapped up in the pliers, allegedly pliers with her hair wrapped up in the pliers, allegedly. Um, my question here if he did not do it, whose black hair was in the the the little clamps? Because, again, the little clamps?
Speaker 3:because again, they never said that they tested the hair in the pliers, or at least unless I missed that. No, I don't recall the hair being tested.
Speaker 2:They never tested it, so they simply went off the fact that they found these, uh, these, the fact that there was hair in it and that they saw the weights, and then they started to build this story of what they believed happened. Yay or nay?
Speaker 1:I mean I think they saw like the tarp too. Right, it was like a tarp and then like those big ass umbrellas, yes, the umbrellas were in the.
Speaker 3:Uh, I thought the boats were in the truck.
Speaker 2:No, they were in the truck in the backyard of the trucker.
Speaker 3:I don't know something yeah, the umbrellas were in the truck, but the tarp, the weights, the flyers were all in the boat at the shop.
Speaker 2:At the shop. So then from this point we start to learn as we get to, as we it's getting later and later in the year. We still don't know where the fuck obviously Lacey is, um, we still don't know where the fuck obviously Lacey is, and then they start um asking more questions. This is after the second time they have went to the home of Amber Fries, who also actually has a little girl who Scott had been playing like stepdaddy to her at this point wait, she had a daughter she had a daughter.
Speaker 1:I think I missed that in everything no, she had a little girl she had a little girl she was like three or two yes, exactly I missed.
Speaker 2:I complete that completely went over my head yes, so the story would have gone, um, they had met a few months prior to all of this happening. Uh, they have been dating. And then, um, when one of her friends found out that he was married, went back and told him that you need to either tell her that you're married or I will. And then he went to her house and told her that he had been married and that he had lost his wife, and this was days before, uh, she had went missing yeah, so a little part was like little things that I notes that I made too.
Speaker 1:Like before she came out and called was like that he refused to be in the media like he refused cameras on him. He refused cameras like on, like in the house, um, he didn't want any media attention. And then on his phone they had found that he had, uh like searched, the day before he bought the bowl he had searched the tides, like how the current went and how the tide was and everything like that in the the area that was like 90 miles away, um, for a person that's like a new boat owner, which was like random. And then, yeah, like she called on the 30th I mean.
Speaker 2:But it's not random to search. I wouldn't know to search a tide, but I would search, I guess I mean, I feel like well well, the tide can tell you which way the body will flow. Oh yeah, um, I mean, I figured that would probably be the reason why he searched it, but I don't think it's random to search. It is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, you know if.
Speaker 2:I was going on a boat, then I would want to know where the tide's at. Like, if I'm going out at a certain point, then I should know if the water's coming in or if it's going out, and what time is that happening. So then, where can I launch my boat? At Right, like you know, certain parts of the Berkeley arena is is sometimes super high, sometimes it's super low.
Speaker 1:But I he had said he went like a mile. Right, he's like, oh, I just went a little bit, but it was like 90 miles or something. He's like, oh, I just went a little bit but it was like 90 miles or something right.
Speaker 3:That's why it was weird. Yeah, yeah, I think the 90 miles was the 90 miles, the amount of miles it took for him to get to Modesto, to Berkeley. Marina.
Speaker 3:I think that's that amount. But then, yes, he said he only went to, he only went a mile out in the water. But then they found that he went to a little island and I can't remember the island but it was more than like a little mile. But I think the 90 miles is the mileage from Modesto to Burkina Faso yes Point Isabel yes Point Isabel so.
Speaker 2:so then, at that point, we, we know that he has had this woman that he's been dating on the side she, he, we know that he has told her that he lost his wife.
Speaker 1:The day he bought the boat.
Speaker 2:The day he bought the boat. He bought the boat the day he bought the boat and now, at this point, she has been missing, for I think at that point it had been a couple of months that she had been missing, right?
Speaker 1:No it was a week she called December 30th and then she had to report it, and then she had gone missing. December 24th right.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then that is when he because he called her on New Year's Eve and was claiming that he was going to be in Paris and traveling for New Year's Eve and was at her visual on New Year's Eve, calling this woman saying it was New Year's a.
Speaker 1:New.
Speaker 2:Year in. Paris. Huh, I mean, isn't it crazy, just crazy, huh trifling.
Speaker 3:I mean, isn't it crazy?
Speaker 2:just crazy and and have either one of you seen gone girl? Yes, so in gone girl they were, they did suspect, supposedly use some of the um, how he acted, how you know it was. The story was portrayed in that movie and I could, I definitely noticed it, um, but ultimately in the movie, in the end of gone girl, the wife comes back and you know she's apparently this crazy lady. But, um, but yes, like you know the, the very uh, chill demeanor, the very like nonchalant, not wanting to be in the media, um, you know, wanting to be cooperative but not really wanting to be cooperative, um, it was very much so like that, um, but again, I'm going to come back to this question Because at this point we know that they were very on him about not wanting to be in the media.
Speaker 2:They were very on him about how chill his attitude was. They were very much so trying to me, creating a narrative that he was the main suspect for this murder before they even have found a body. Do you think that because of the media and how they were pinning him, that they set him up for this?
Speaker 3:no, I mean if someone, if they, I wouldn't want to be in the media either. First off, ain't nothing I'm saying or doing is helping me in any given way. They already think I'm, you know, doing something bad Now that I'm sleeping with somebody else. So now I'm really going to be looking crazy.
Speaker 1:I already got people in my front yard and doing crazy stuff and there's people spitting on me and all types of crazy stuff Like I'm going gonna be hiding out too yeah, I think I would, even if I didn't have something to say to the media, or like I was in the head in I was not in the headspace to talk to the media I would at least sit like with her family or with my family, like in front of the, just to kind of show like that I'm here and I'm present and like I'm waiting, right, if, if I really expect my wife to come home or my partner to come home, like like I'm here, right, yeah. And I think also like another thing I had wrote down was that the burglars took a polygraph.
Speaker 4:They did Right the same day like that same day everything was happened.
Speaker 1:They agreed to it because they're like we're tweakers and robbers, but we're not killers, you know. So I think they like agreed.
Speaker 2:Especially like. The big thing was they didn't want to be known for murdering a woman and a kid.
Speaker 1:In prison. In prison.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, that was like their whole thing, right. They were like no, like we we'll take a polygraph test and so that way, you know, people know we didn't do this Right, but they did not say, they didn't confirm, if they took the test or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they took it and they passed it.
Speaker 3:Did they confirm that?
Speaker 1:Well, that's what the documentary said.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they took it and they passed it.
Speaker 1:And they passed it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they passed. I think the thing about the burglary is that they like allegedly. It sounds like there were other people there in the truck besides the two that actually went down for it, and it sounds like those other people were never questioned. It was almost like they just like okay, we're going to use these two, because these two were maybe the two that were in the house or something, so they couldn't have done it, so we're gonna utilize them yeah, they were like common local.
Speaker 2:Common local like criminals, right like yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay to me like it seems like at this point they're painting a picture.
Speaker 3:I mean 100% and like the way, like. But I think why we keep saying no is because you keep saying set him up for it. I don't think they set him up. But, once they got in on that road, they definitely zeroed in on that road and zeroed in on that road and everything went forward with that. The media went with that narrative. Every story, every headline, everything that came out was to follow this narrative that he was guilty yes, and then again, like you know, at this point it's highly publicized.
Speaker 2:People are like they're at. They for sure believe he's the one who did it. They are 100 on this hate scott peterson train, um, specifically for all of those reasons and all of the the evidence that came out, but nothing clearly pointing to him murdering and um and killing this woman right a comment during, like when all this was happening, like when the affair was coming out, a comment that I think, like his sister's sister-in-law made.
Speaker 1:That irritated me was that she's like, I don't even think it was a an affair. She said, quote unquote, he just wanted to have sexual relations with someone willing. That's what I said.
Speaker 2:And I was like. I was like girl they never want to talk about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like they always want to blame the other woman instead of like telling the man like what the fuck I was. Like oh no.
Speaker 2:I don't like you yeah yeah, I didn't get that statement. I was like having sex with somebody who's willing. Meaning what, like? What are you trying to say?
Speaker 1:and back then it wasn't social media like that you know. So like you could hide multiple families and you could hide the fact that you're married and stuff, unless you know somebody that know. You know, like her, that it happened to be that they aligned, you know, but there's no, there was really not a way of knowing, like now that we can look shit up and like make fake instas and all these things you know yeah, yeah that's what I've heard at least. I don't know, I don't know what to say um.
Speaker 2:So let's fast forward. So on, um. So just almost I guess, almost guess. Almost a year later, but just about in San Francisco Bay on April 14, 2003, at Point Isabel, which is near Richmond, they found a female torso and they also found a male fetus not too far from the female torso and that we then later find out that it is identified as Lacey Peterson and the baby boy Connor I think. They were naming him that they were going to have, they were, they were naming him um, that they were gonna have, so at this. So once this is all happened and found um, they immediately start to do the autopsy on the body and they this is where I'm gonna need y'all help because I've completed.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I had nodded off at this point in the documentary, but I don't remember them talking about the bodies but before they found the body he started doing his media tour because they were doing like a lot of pressure on him because of fair and stuff. And then during his media, like his interview with barbara walters, he said that the affair was okay with lacy and that and that he told her they're like. So you expect everyone to believe she was eight and a half months pregnant.
Speaker 1:She was just like calming, collected, okay with the affair. And then he's like yeah, yeah, he did, he did say that and then he started like inviting people to the home and he was like smiling and they asked him like what did you like about lacy? And all he said was, oh, she completed me, and he never brought the sun up or anything like that.
Speaker 3:He always just like it was just like her, and it was that stood out to me in past tense during the whole interview because I think with the interview for her, like she hadn't been found yet right that was one of the big things, that everything he referred to her was in past tense because she was still missing at that point right.
Speaker 1:And then that's when, like dana said, they were searching the bay, and then he went and circled five times at the bay while they were searching, like back and forth, because they had that tracker, and so he was like shit, probably like shitting bricks, you know getting close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was stressed and, yes, they found the bodies, and then he was in san diego yes, he was uh-huh the day that they found the bodies yep and they had already like headed over to start getting him because they had an arrest warrant, right um that's when the chase started and he noticed he was being followed and he thought it was.
Speaker 3:Paparazzi followed him and it turns out it was sons and they can like get him on the phone talking to his brother that's how they were tracking him right yeah, well, I think they had. I think that, yeah, that might have been how they were tracking him, right? Yeah, well, I think they had. I think, yeah, that might have been how they were tracking him, because he had a different car, right, because he had a Mercedes.
Speaker 3:now, like, and somebody else had his truck, they said yeah, because allegedly the brother was going to buy his truck and that's why he had the $10,000 in the car with him, because he hadn't put the in the bank yet. So that was just the skis for the $15,000 for the $15,000.
Speaker 3:His excuse for his brother's id was because he said he was using it to get discounts at the golf course because his brother whatever type of service id or whatever his brother had it allowed him golf course. Because his brother whatever type of service idea, whatever his brother had, it allowed him golf course. So he was like, I guess, basically, I'm just you know, I was using it to get a discount at the golf course. And then, um, what else did they find with him? The blonde hair and stuff, I think was just to kind of like change his appearance because he was being attacked so much in public and then he had like credit cards.
Speaker 3:He had like five credit cards yeah, and then he had like family members, credit cards right yeah that was weird all that combined and being in a border town yeah, but I mean, I don't know like it's such an interesting case and it's like there's so many things that on four to five cell phones yes, four to five, uh, cell phones.
Speaker 3:There's like so many things that, like all the pieces are there to, you know, say that he did it, but then, like we also look at it, there's no real evidence to say that he did it. So it's like the pieces are there but they're not creating a puzzle at all. On both sides there's not one creating a puzzle that says that he did do it. There's not one saying that he didn't do it. So I just be, I just be torn every time yeah, um you know fuck.
Speaker 1:No, I like he did it. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm reading over the toxology report right now.
Speaker 3:Okay, what was that? Because, once you mentioned it, I was like I don't think I ever heard the toxology report.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, and I was like I feel like they didn't specify. So it says Lacey Peterson had caffeine in her system when she died a toxology report shows while her unborn son, connor, did not. A source familiar with uh with tests said that the toxology documents also show that the police specifically asked medical examiners to test Peterson's remains for the date rape drug, ghb, and none was found. Tachycytology testing performed on skeletal muscle is positive only for caffeine and PEA, which is a decomposition product. According to a report from Contra Costa County coroner's office, the agency that performed the autopsy, the presence of caffeine in Peterson's body and not in her onboard son does not.
Speaker 2:However, that Connor was outside his mother's womb when she was killed, when they found her or after, which was another piece of what they were talking about was because if the baby was out in the womb when she died, her wound in the wound when she died, then it would change. It would change the how they would have sentenced him. Yes, I can't remember which why, or you know which direction, or whatever you know that would go in. Um, I remember that they were debating. You know kind of what that would mean, uh, because then it would be like, oh, he murdered her and the baby, or you know, he just murdered her, because there's plenty of instances where women have been murdered and they were pregnant and the baby still lives after even being murdered um the I wonder what woman being murdered I wonder how the baby got out that was something I was like really thinking about.
Speaker 3:It's like and it's been because I've been like re-watching and listening to so much stuff with this case like all week, and so that was just like how I'm not sort of thinking I'll look at. Well, I guess, like like to me, I was just like how and I was sort of thinking I was like, okay, well, I guess, like like to me, I was just like like I don't know, I'm like did the baby like basically suffer in there until her body started to decompose and then it came out like that way. But then I was just like. I feel like that would have been.
Speaker 1:It would have taken longer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if there's like, if you just said that there was forms of.
Speaker 1:Like fission stuff what was it called?
Speaker 2:What the decomposing product?
Speaker 3:Yeah, To make her decompose faster. Then maybe it was just dumped on her and it ate away at the stomach and then the baby was able to once it was in the water, the baby just you know. But I don't know. That was something that I heavily thought about too and I'm just like, okay, well, whoever did it cut the baby out of her stomach, that's just sick.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's many cases like that.
Speaker 3:I know and it's just like it's wild.
Speaker 2:I think that the theory, one of the theories that they are thinking, is that she encountered these burglars and they kidnapped her and then they dumped her body. If she did encounter these burglars, they beat her and then she went into labor while being beat and then and then you can, can, that can happen your body doesn't just come out well, the your, if you're, the body goes into shock and then it starts contracting country. You can't. I mean, isn't that like it? I mean it doesn't just shoot out.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't shoot out but I'm just saying like, like it takes a while for your butt.
Speaker 1:Like, yes, you can start contracting and like you know, eventually, but like it takes like a while for your for you to crown and everything, and actually because you have to open to this size essentially right.
Speaker 1:You have to crown and everything so like and I think there's supposed to be some force behind it, like and you have to, exactly, and you have to push and sometimes you need support, especially like on your first child, like sometimes they have to use certain things, so like the whole show my I think, yeah, like my thing. I think either they cut the poor baby out or, like marcel said, like if there's, like fish or other animal creatures in the water that you know, on top of that decomposing product, like maybe the baby just like came out through the stomach eventually because they said just her torso washed up. So I don't know, I don't know what that means, right?
Speaker 3:they didn't show like if they chopped there or something like I don't know right and it's just like they said, like her torso and like they can clearly see that it was a woman, so clearly she wasn't fully decomposed, but it's just like how much was decomposed? Was it her stomach that was decomposed? Where they were Like? I feel like there's so many unanswered questions around that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I also feel like they. I'm I'm feeling like they also didn't fully share. I think the family didn't want to share details of whatever they found, or maybe it wasn't a lot to find.
Speaker 1:I was thinking the same, maybe the mom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she still, even in the interviews I think we all saw that she still, to this day, can barely talk about it. Well, I think this was a great recap story. I just thought it was very interesting to talk about the case, especially at the time that it happened. And now it's starting to resurface because they Scott Peterson is now going into a wrongful trial um program where they are going to they are looking to potentially retry the case, uh, to see if they missed evidence and, uh, to kind of push this burglar the burglar a sister-in-law too, got like her, her lawyer, her yeah she's a lawyer
Speaker 1:now she's a lawyer now yeah so try to defend him so we'll see.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm on the fence on if he did it or not. I am very curious to see how this all turns out. I feel like, you know, this is definitely another one of those oj simpson cases where, I mean, we obviously still never know what actually happened to his wife. But you know, anyway, we'll see how this.
Speaker 3:He's another one, and I've watched a lot of different documentaries. I just walked through and read something. When I was in hawaii in june, it had just neared on uh lifetime it was a really good documentary, but I was just like I don't know you think scott peterson did it, marta, I don't know I'm a very factual person and just like, like I said, all the pieces are there, but I feel like you can't lay out.
Speaker 3:I don't have a clear picture to lay out all that and so like that to me, like and I'm one of those people that I'm like, I'm very easily, you know, swaying with the right details and the right facts of the information. You know, I'm all about my skills and equal balance and and there's equally not enough evidence to show he do it just as much. There's like enough, there's enough. I think there's not enough evidence to show that he did it, but there's enough things that he did like all right, well, this don't look good for you, so it's just like I don't know right this is one of those ones where let's say, just be a.
Speaker 3:I don't wish I'd be a fly on the wall, but you know, I just wish it was like.
Speaker 2:I wish we just knew you know right, yeah, that was an interesting one yes, it was, and thank you all for coming and going through the chat with me. Let's take our final break and then we'll come back and we'll wrap up the show. Bye, and we're back to close this thing out. So I did pick a card. Um, so I did pick a card. We're gonna wrap it up with our um, spiritual segment. Um, that is back, um, so I choose, I chose an affirmation, um that I think we can all benefit from.
Speaker 2:It's called, um, not it's called, but so it says Not it's called, but so it says here we go. All right, my luck won't run out because my blessings are earned and destined for me. Okay, my luck won't run out because my blessings are earned and destined for me, and it says my love. No matter how coincidentally or smoothly your manifestations come to you, I understand they did not arrive by chance. Everything you've accomplished thus far has been written for you, and what you're to accomplish next is awaiting your arrival. Remember, blessings stick to you like glue, as long as you express gratitude and show genuine appreciation. The journal prompt says Write this mantra 10 times each time. Speak it out loud before writing it down and reading, read it again in your mind after punctuating every sentence, so how does that resonate for either one of you? What did you? Say what did you say?
Speaker 1:did you say?
Speaker 3:can you repeat the question what's the mantra again? Or?
Speaker 2:the affirmation yeah, the affirmation is my luck won't run out, because my blessings are earned and destined for me got it okay, go ahead something um, I think it's like for me.
Speaker 1:It's just like knowing that, like, what's meant for me is for me, um, and like you know, whatever god's plan is for me is his plan for me, and whatever's supposed to happen is gonna happen. Um, and I'm not gonna miss whatever is for me. It's just a matter of you know the timing. It's going to happen when it's supposed to, and it's just a matter of preparing yourself to be ready for when those blessings arrive or those trials arrive, and continuing to grow and, yeah, having faith and just not trying right because I'm, I am. I tend to overthink. Sometimes I get anxious and not being being worried about like, oh, am I gonna miss this blessing? Or you know what I mean? Um, just allowing things to like flow to me and let whatever supposed supposed to be be.
Speaker 2:That's how I interpret it Go ahead, fran, I think ditto.
Speaker 3:I think I just you know would like to add that you know I just want to make sure that I'm on the right path to receive these blessings. You know I'm in the right space, I'm making the right choices and you know I'm on the right path to receive whatever blessing that the Lord has in store.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 3:Yes, I know, can I get an amen up in here?
Speaker 2:Same for me. It's just, you know, doing things with intention and making sure that, whatever these blessings are, I am putting my hands up to receive them. It's interesting because actually yesterday, Paris and I was having a conversation about like goals and stuff like that, and you know I was talking about like financial goals and saving money and all of that stuff, so just making sure that I put myself in a position to do it and express the gratitude when I achieve it. You know, I try to make sure to do that, but, um, humbly, of course. Um, stephanie, don't start. Um, so, yes, um, with that being said, um, thank you again.
Speaker 2:Uh, this was a long one, um, but I'm glad that you know you all came along for the ride. Um, I think a next good one. I mean, we probably won't, we'll probably do some other stories, but there's a lot of new like docuseries and series out, like Monsters out I'll probably be watching that this weekend, getting into that too, because that's some twisted shit. What else there are. There are quite a few other newer documentaries out about like murder mysteries and stuff like that there's lots of murder mysteries.
Speaker 3:But if you guys want to go a little bit lighter and do something that is just crazy but good, um, the mormon wives or the secret life of mormon, yes I heard that's pretty good it's ridiculous so candace and them watching it on when we were in palm springs, yeah, and I watched like one episode and I was blown away.
Speaker 2:I was like what the fuck is this like? And then I guess they have mom talk yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm just like this is wild, y'all are wild but you know, those Salt Lake City people sure know how to do it yeah between. Real Hot. Rod to Salt Lake City and now this new Salt Lake City show. I'm like they, that's something in the water out there, because they know how to bring a good show.
Speaker 2:I mean, but for sure, but they're also.
Speaker 1:They are, but Mormons are known for Salt Lake City like Mormon people are known to be in Salt Lake City there's a lot of polygamy out there, right, because I've seen other shows like polygamy shows that have been on Netflix or like on TV. And a lot of them move out there, yeah, and they'll buy. They'll do like the compounds, like those family, like compounds, and they'll just buy a shitload of that.
Speaker 2:See, now, that's how you end up dead.
Speaker 1:I was like I will go to your house and and girl. That couldn't be me.
Speaker 2:Fuck around and find out, all right. Well, we hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Make sure you like, comment and subscribe. Make sure you subscribe to our patreon channel, which is you can find it in the underneath, and make sure you join the conversation.
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